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Re: FYI

From: russell_-at-_flora.ottawa.on.ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 20 Aug 2000 17:43:50 -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008201406220.911-100000@thinkpad.php.net>

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

> > > Probably not.  Your issue is with the folks at Zend.com not with the PHP
> > > team.
> > 
> >   The folks at Zend.com wrote the PHP4 license faq?
> > http://www.php.net/version4/license-FAQ.php
> 
> Yes they did.

  Sigh - you are the person who receives the "Give us Feedback" notes from
http://www.php.net/version4/ , which is why you received the initial note.

  It might be helpful to have just forwarded the initial note on to the
Zend folks to reply to.  I don't know who the Zend team is or who the PHP4
team is, or until now that you (who have indicated yourself to be part of
the PHP team) didn't write that FAQ.

  Can you help here and get me in touch with the right people? The most
offensive FAQ answer is the first Q/A which doesn't reference Zend at all
so I would have had no way of knowing I should be contacting them.

  To make things quick you can just point them to the discussion forum:
http://www.flora.org/flora.comnet-www/
  (Subjects 'FYI' and 'MySQL goes GPL')

> Your other issues would be exactly the same for Apache, which I assume you
> are also using.  The wording of the PHP license is identical to the
> wording of the Apache license.

  Given that these clauses ( http://www.apache.org/docs/LICENSE Clauses 3
and 6 ) are pretty much ignored/unenforced with Apache, can I assume the
legality with PHP will be the same? (IE: That the PHP folks won't be
trying to sue people/companies for ignoring that clause in the license.)  

  And if Clause 5 of the PHP license isn't going to be enforced, why
include it and potentially scare people off of use of PHP?  And no, I
haven't taken this up with the Apache team although the GNU folks have
written their comments on the license:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html

"The license of Apache. 
    This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license with
    practical problems like those of the original BSD license, including
    incompatibility with the GNU GPL.

    We urge you not to use the license of Apache for software you write.
    However, there is no reason to avoid running programs that have been
    released under this license, such as Apache. 
"


  With Apache's current license I have resolved myself to never contribute
to the Apache code-base, only writing separate modules.  I am gathering
this is the same thing I'll have todo with PHP4 if I ever use it.

> -Rasmus
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