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(Fwd) Re: [oxen] Has RMS gone off the deep end?

From: kebera_-at-_Cyblings.ON.CA
Date: 3 Feb 1999 20:41:40 -0500

fowarded by request  -keb

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From:           	kebera@Cyblings.ON.CA
Date sent:      	Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:31:57 -0500

Some rough thoughts on the RMS discussion...

Alan DeKok wrote:
>   Taken to the logical conclusion, then, ALL graduates of public
> institutions should give away ALL of their work.  Their knowledge was
> based on free and public information, so their work should be free and
> public, too... right?

Right, sort of.  They should give away *intellectual work products*.
Their *time* must be paid for (along with the (negligible on the Net) cost of 
distribution).

>   No.  My work is mine to do with as I please.  If I use someone
> else's work, then I reference it or pay I a royalty.  But RMS doesn't
> want references, and he doesn't want royalties.  

The above paragraph is an example of your work.  I don't see any sources 
referenced - did you pay anyone?  Wow you must be a genius to have come up with 
all that yourself.

Sarcasm not to be taken personally - i'm making a point:  I submit that 
everything written or said is derived from the public pool of knowledge. You 
wouldn't be able to say anything at all intelligible if you hadn't learned 
language from your parents and school.  Particular circumstances may trigger in 
one person a new or better way of saying something, of rediscovering reality 
through different eyes.  In other words, every idea is obvious and every 
expression of it a natural consequence under the right circumstances.  We are 
indebted to our history and culture and life experiences.

The test-and-branch instruction seems obvious now - but what if someone had 
patented it?

Once you read an idea, it's in your head and you *will* use it elsewhere - you 
can't help doing so.  Freedom of thought and freedom of expression (should) 
guarantee that you *may* use it.  Copyright and patent are therefore 
infringements of basic human rights.  Are they justified?  

The right to livelihood is cited as justification.  However, if people are paid 
based on the *time* they spend, that argument does not apply.  Indeed, there 
are people out of work because of monopolies.  As Russell noted, the usefulness 
of intellectual property is an economic discussion.

Cheers,
Krishna

--
Krishna E. Bera,    "Programmer on the loose"
PGP key at http://www.achilles.net/%7ekebera/


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